“Only in Canada” department

Public funding for anarchist organizations.
Damian P.

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14 thoughts on ““Only in Canada” department

  1. So when can I expect to see a post demanding Charles McVeity give the money his groups receive from the government back?

  2. SLG: no groups should receive government funding, period. Especially the victimology balkanization brigade listed in the downloadable report at the Post.
    I say that as… an ex-anarchist. I’m not sure what edition of Prince Kropotkin THESE kids are reading, but they are extremely confused and/or unprincipled. Of course, Kropotkin was writing well before the State began extorting cash from its citizens as part of the “temporary” “progressive” personal income tax…
    But any so-called “anarchist” should be able to figure out from themselves that accepting the fruits of the State’s extortion should be off-limits. Then again, their hero Noam Chomsky accepts govt cash too, which he’s been known to turn around and invest in dubious capitalist instruments.
    So apparently “anarchist” these days simply means “I’m too broke to buy a car or get a decent haircut”.

  3. So if I take money from the State, then I am not allowed to criticize the State? That’s a rather odd position for a Conservative to take. I say that as… an ex-Conservative.
    Funny, “victimology balkanization brigade” is a pretty good way to describe people like McVeity, but I don’t get bent out of shape about my tax dollars going to him.
    This is something I can never understand about right-wingers, and maybe you can help me with this. Here we are in the middle of a financial crisis that has wiped out tens of trillions of dollars and may cause even more damage yet. All of this was caused by a bunch of crack-pots who thought it was a good idea to create investment funds whose growth depended on housing prices rising forever. Compared to that, this sort of thing barely even qualifies as chump change. The only answer I ever get is “it’s taxpayers money!”

  4. “So if I take money from the State, then I am not allowed to criticize the State?”
    Not if you are an anarchist; they do not want a state.

  5. That is absurd. So, if you don’t support medicare, do you pay the extra money for private healthcare or go to the US? If you don’t believe in public utilities, you’re not allowed to use Hydro? Extending your argument to it’s logical conclusion, if I don’t 100% lock-step support the government on everything it does, then I should go to another country? I doubt that is what you mean, but that is the implication of what was said.
    Here’s the thing: the State is going to exist whether the anarchists take their money or not. If it is just a means to an end to further their goals, then why wouldn’t they?
    Out of curiosity, did any of you actually look at the links provided in the article?
    Here’s one of the “anarchist” groups: http://www.thestop.org/board-of-directors
    Nice investigative journalism there. Thank God for the National Post, indeed. It’s a great source of humour (albeit unintentionally).

  6. I have to agree with Self-Loathing; why wouldn’t an anarchist take money from The State if The State is stupid enough to give it to them? Sounds like exploitation of one of those “Marxist Contradictions” – ie, if the government will give support to those who would overthrow/do away with it, why shouldn’t those groups take it? Same sort of rationale as to why Chumbawumba licensed their tunes out for ads, despite being good PC lefties and all that; helps fund the revolution and all.
    The real question is, why the hell are they getting the money in the first place? Another piece of evidence that there’s always a lot of public spending that can be cut, no matter what anyone says.

  7. To be fair to Chumbawumba, they also encouraged their fans to steal their records from stores – for a while at least, any ways.
    In any case, the group losses their $5000. Wow. Now the city will be able to build that subway line on Eglinton we’ve always dreamed of. Maybe, instead of penny pinching on some anarchist bookstore, we might want to consider bringing corporate tax levels back to where they were in the early 90s? Oh wait, I forgot, tax cuts “create wealth”.

  8. None of these groups should get the money the government takes from our paycheques, it’s that simple.
    Any organization that is supported by enough people can raise the funds they need from them, if they cannot, then certainly they are not worthy of taxpayer’s money.

  9. “Any organization that is supported by enough people can raise the funds they need from them, if they cannot, then certainly they are not worthy of taxpayer’s money.”
    Fair enough. So how come I only ever see articles attacking $5000 for some program that promotes healthy eating, and none attacking the charitable status of the CJC, or Charles McVeity’s church of whatever?
    I mean, I disagree with this, obviously, and I don’t think I am going to convince any one otherwise. I do, however, find it convenient that every single example is some organization who happens to have political views you disagree with.

  10. Congratulations on acquiring such sound reading comprehension skills. There is only one self-proclaimed anarchist group on that list: the one I mentioned in my blog post. The group you cited in that external like is not an anarchist group and neither I nor the national post described it as such.
    Puts all the rest of your comments in a pretty poor light, huh?
    the anarchists are stupid, not smart, for “taking money if they’re giving it away anyhow”? That is an adolescent argument; what are you, 12? Every 5000 the anarchists get from the State is 5000 more dollars the State has to replace by extorting more people.
    It is called theft. Theft doesn’t become OK because “the insurance company will replace it anyhow” or some other base consideration.
    the rest of you: the State is to an anarchist what the Nazis are to Jews and the Klan is to blacks. Would those groups take their money? If they did, would you respect the org. more, or less? Should they be able to sleep soundly at night.
    I’m surprised Damian has so many glib, thoughtless, evidently immature, and obviously unprincipled, commenters.

  11. “Congratulations on acquiring such sound reading comprehension skills. There is only one self-proclaimed anarchist group on that list: the one I mentioned in my blog post. The group you cited in that external like is not an anarchist group and neither I nor the national post described it as such.
    Puts all the rest of your comments in a pretty poor light, huh? ”
    Actually, no it doesn’t. The headline from your post says “Toronto anarchists take government (i.e. taxpayer) money, open store”. Then, you point to a reference to an article in the National Post that makes reference to “organizations that get a free handout”. Your post makes it sound as if the Galleanists are taking money from taxpayers.
    “the State is to an anarchist what the Nazis are to Jews and the Klan is to blacks”
    The State is exterminating Anarchists, or burning crosses on their lawns? This is news to me.
    “the anarchists are stupid, not smart, for “taking money if they’re giving it away anyhow”? That is an adolescent argument; what are you, 12? Every 5000 the anarchists get from the State is 5000 more dollars the State has to replace by extorting more people.
    It is called theft. Theft doesn’t become OK because “the insurance company will replace it anyhow” or some other base consideration.”
    That was completely incoherent.
    For what it’s worth, I’ll repeat myself: I’m not defending anarchist principals. What I’m saying is that if you want to fret over wasted money, there are much more significant targets than some anarchist bookstore taking $5000.

  12. “Is the money well spent is the question, ie what are these groups doing to improve society ???”
    Probably nothing. What were the CEOs of Lehman Brothers doing to improve society with all the money they weren’t paying any taxes on?

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