Those were the days…

There was a time when Charles Johnson was the blogger being smeared because of what appeared in his comment section, and when he savaged the mainstream media for reporting “fake but accurate” falsehoods. What happened?
Update: a reader responds:

As far as I can see, two things happened; one, he realized that kissing up to racists and extremists like the BNP is a no-win game, and two, he’s as disturbed by the prospect of the only centre-right party available for him to vote for becoming the exclusive resort of crank theocrats.

I’m all in favor of going after the BNP, the Birthers, the creationists and many of the other lunatics against whom Charles has directed his attention these past few months. That’s the reason I’ve kept reading him.
Normally I wouldn’t mind him going after Limbaugh, but when he’s doing so because of transparently false quotations – and then smearing Hot Air because of things that have appeared in the comment section, the same way people used to unfairly attack LGF – it’s time to speak out.

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32 thoughts on “Those were the days…

  1. As far as I can see, two things happened; one, he realized that kissing up to racists and extremists like the BNP is a no-win game, and two, he’s as disturbed by the prospect of the only centre-right party available for him to vote for becoming the exclusive resort of crank theocrats.

  2. LGF hasn’t changed. What changed was the world around it. The Obama won the American election and the American political right has gone completely stark raving bat shit crazy. How else can u define a party that believes in birtherism and creationism?

  3. This is interesting, if true. It appears that Charles Johnson has made the following comment about me:
    “#434 Charles :: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:27:30 am
    I just discovered another sneaky sock puppet – “Will Robinson”. This was the person who posts with the name “Bruce Rheinstein” at LGF-hating blogs. I had a feeling about this one, and it turned out to be right.” http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/10/05/nightly-nancy-open/ (Note: I don’t know much about LGF2, the site this information apears on)
    For the record, I have been (or was, if he has since banned me) registered under my own name on LGF since he started registering users in 2004 and have never used a sock puppet name — Will Robinson, or any other. I wasn’t all that active on LGF and probably have not posted more than 50 comments.
    I have criticized Johnson in comments at both this and Tim Blair’s sites.

  4. Many of us cannot follow the link Damian because Johnson bans the IP addresses of those who criticze him. Tim Blair’s site is also banned I know as a referrer. If LGF notices your your site will be banned too as a referrer.

  5. It’s clear that Johnson has simply returned to the ideology he possessed prior to the 9/11 attacks: that is, leftism.
    For a few years, the attacks and the behaviour of those on the left seemed to have pricked his left-wing dreamworld.
    But now, with the election of Obama and the seeming lessening of the Islamic fascist threat, he’s simply gone back to sleep.
    What’s worse: he’s suffering the delusion (like commenter `SDC’ above) that under every Republican bed lies a white supremacist or a creationist.
    It’s sad, but what can you do?

  6. Ken B. and others with issues about being “banned” at various places:
    There’s no such thing any more, some say there never was.
    This is a popular prepackaged program that provides internet anonymity via proxy and a US IP address to boot (for watching region restricted video).
    http://hotspotshield.com/
    If you want to go full out anonymous, albeit with slower speed, you can use TOR just like the spies and Chinese dissidents do:
    https://www.torproject.org/
    Obviously, there are many other ways, but the first option is easy and the second is failsafe.

  7. What Backseat Blogger said. Since Obama’s election “the American political right has gone completely stark raving bat shit crazy.”
    I can’t comment on the veracity of the specific Limbaugh quotes but I can bemoan his defacto appointment as GOP spokesman. I used to think the Bush Derangement Syndrome was bad but the new OBS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) is far more frightening. There is a conspiratorial and (yes) racist tone that is very worrying. Now that the Limbaugh – Glenn Beck – Michele Bachmann nutwings have become the public face of the GOP I guess it doesn’t want my vote (disclaimer: I never registered as a Republican but – mostly – voted that way). I think that had McCain won last November, his administration would probably have followed a centrist line in foreign and domestic affairs similar to what the Obama administration has been following (perhaps even including some sort of health care reform). Sure the far right would be carping about McCain being just a RINO, but the nutwings would be largely ignored. Now they are predominant. Now they are the public face of the GOP. A very ugly face. And one doesn’t need Charles Johnson to point it out.
    (P.S. Damian, what happened to the comments on some previous October posts – e.g. the one on why Chicago lost the Olympics?)

  8. *I used to think the Bush Derangement Syndrome was bad but the new OBS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) is far more frightening. There is a conspiratorial and (yes) racist tone that is very worrying.*
    Just how anyone can say that, outside of a very marginal section of the Republican party, there is any such thing as `Obama Derangement Syndrome’, is beyond me. Let alone to compare this to the actual, genuine Bush Derangement Syndrome, is, simply, crazy.
    As for `conspiratorial and, yes, racism,’ nothing can compare to the derangement of the left about the `Zionist’ lobby and how it allegedly controls Washington; that is anti-Semitic racism and it goes together with the treatment of, for example, Colin Powell and Condi Rice by `anti-war’ protestors as gorillas.
    No MSM outrage there.
    Moreover, for anyone to describe Obama’s foreign / domestic policy as `centrist’, begs the question as to what is `left’, anything to the right of Lenin?

  9. “Just how anyone can say that, outside of a very marginal section of the Republican party, there is any such thing as `Obama Derangement Syndrome’, is beyond me. Let alone to compare this to the actual, genuine Bush Derangement Syndrome, is, simply, crazy.”
    Remember, this allegation is from the same phoney “Republican” who was defending Biden’s claim during the campaign that, “The idea he’s part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.” http://www.damianpenny.com/comments/display/11994#146638

  10. Dara
    Thanks. I really don’t much care, the point I think is LGF’s reaction. Banning people who criticize you is, well buffoonish. Charles Johnson has become a bufoon.

  11. Ha, ha, Bruce. Thanks for the link. Still laughing at Biden’s “mistake” to think that “Bosnia is inhabited by ‘Bosniacs’.”?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bosniac
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bosniak
    I’ll simply borrow what I said then:
    “…instead of simply wiping the egg off your face, you’ve continued to try to persuade people that the yolk dripping from your nose is healthy for the complexion. Brave but ludicrous.”

  12. I don’t know what to think about all this. While I’m personally anti-“Intelligent design” and find white supremacists and paleo-cons disgusting, I also have very little respect for Barack Obama, “climate change” hysteria, and I think Islam is an extremely violent, hateful, misogynistic and intolerant religion.
    The fact that Charles Johnson nowadays refers to Robert Spencer as an “anti-Muslim bigot”, favorably quotes leftist loons who prate about “Islamophopia” being a big problem, calls those of us who haven’t bought into the whole “man-made climate change will lead to global catastrophe so we must act NOW!!!!1111!!” climate change deniers (as in Holocaust deniers) and insinuates that all “right-wingers”, or “wingnuts”, are sekrit racists who have just waited for the moment to show our true faces, is just vile. That he is condescending toward anyone who disagrees with him on the tiniest of issues doesn’t make it one bit better.

  13. *While I’m personally anti-“Intelligent design” and find white supremacists and paleo-cons disgusting, I also have very little respect for Barack Obama, “climate change” hysteria, and I think Islam is an extremely violent, hateful, misogynistic and intolerant religion.*
    I’m with ya there friend.
    But imagine my surprise when I awoke one morning to find that LGF had turned into `Little Green Daily Kos’ or `The Little Green Huffington Post’.

  14. So, what’s your point, Dawg? The one really damaging accurate quote, which you latch onto, was made nearly four decades ago.
    The guy spends several hours a day on radio and so-called journalists have to make up quotes in order to smear him as a racist.
    Let’s face it, Limbaugh’s crime isn’t being a racist, it’s being a conservative, and the Left does itself no credit by resorting to dirty smear tactics to discredit and financially damage their opponents.
    It reminds me a bit of the made-up anti-Palin crap that appeared on various websites and was gleefully repeated in the MSM. No doubt we’d be hearing crude comments about his daughter, too, if he had one.
    Or are smears in the service of a Greater Truth somehow acceptable?

  15. *Snopes finds that several attributions are documented; others are merely reported. But Limbaugh doesn’t come out of this lily-white, you should excuse the expression*
    Yes, except for the ones that were being used by Daily Kos Johnson to smear Limbaugh.

  16. There are two nasty smears in that first comment.
    Few American conservatives even know who the BNP are. Those who do almost all condemn the party because of its racism and leftist economic policies. For example:
    http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/June2009_2.html#jrm7483
    Second, only someone ignorant about the leadership of the Republican party — or indifferent to mere facts — would say that the party is the “exclusive resort of crank theocrats”. I don’t know of a single Republican “theocrat”, crank or otherwise, in a significant elected office. Not one.
    (You can find crank theocrats from both parties in a few low level offices, if you are desperately looking for smears.)
    And while we are on the subject of crank religions, I urge you to learn more about the beliefs of Barack Obama’s long time pastor, Jeremiah Wright. (Does Obama share those beliefs? Who knows?)

  17. I think some perspective is in order when it comes to the current controversy over Rush’s bid to buy a football team (Let’s keep in mind that this is what triggered the latest jihad on Limbaugh’s character).
    “Lost” in the Limbaugh-is-a-racist feeding frenzy was MSNBC’s Chris Matthews’ on-air musing a couple days ago, wherein he expressed his desire to see Limbaugh meet a violent death:
    CHRIS MATTHEWS: “You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/13/video-matthews-muses-on-killing-rush-limbaugh/
    I say “lost,” because all of Matthews’ establishment media pals covered for him, and completely ignored his despicable hate-mongering. Absolutely zero coverage.
    Don’t forget folks, up until a year ago, when MSNBC finally caved in to criticism concerning his ability to remain neutral in an anchor role, Matthews co-anchored MSNBC’s coverage of major political events, including the 2008 Republican and Democratic conventions. This isn’t some little-known fringe TV news personality.
    Matthews made a quasi-apology the following day, the kind you make when your boss orders you to, not because you sincerely regret what you said.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/14/video-chris-matthews-apologizes-for-his-rush-limbaugh-death-fantasy-sort-of/
    Strange isn’t it, that the self-proclaimed unbiased, objective mainstream media finds itself so preoccupied with racist comments that a talk radio host may or may not have said, but deems the actual, indisputable advocating of the murder of the same talk radio host by a TV political journalist to be a non-story?
    One would almost think the double standard had something to do with the political affiliations of the subjects involved, if it weren’t for the fact that we’re assured by the “professional journalists” in the MSM that such double standards don’t exist (Well, except on Fox News, of course…)

  18. “But Limbaugh doesn’t come out of this lily-white, you should excuse the expression”
    Well, lots of statements taken out of context could be considered racist and offensive. Even Dawg’s quote above.

  19. I’ve been posting at LGF for years, and am still at it. I’ve crossed cursors with Charles a time or two lately, and also with some of the liberal newcomers, but mostly things have been fine. There definitely is a different feel to the place, now that jihad-blogging has taken a backseat to rightwing nuttery blogging. But he hasn’t objected to my continued presence, nor the presence of the other conservatives.

  20. The Post Poll appears to be an outlier. Perhaps the biggest giveaway that something is not right is that “just 20 percent of the Post sample identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest that number has been in Post polling since 1983.”
    The July Gallup Poll has the number at 28 percent http://www.gallup.com/poll/121565/Democrats-Maintain-Edge-Party-Support-Gap-Shrinks.aspx , and the current Rasmussen number is 32.1 with the GOP leading 42 to 37 percent in the Generic Congressional Ballot. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

  21. No outlier, Bruce. The long-term trend (minus the periodic ups and downs) has been in that direction for several years. Independents are the key. They may not like the (current) Dems, but they positively hate the (current) GOP. Looking at Glenn Beck, Russ Limbaugh and Michele Bachmann, who can blame them?

  22. My mistake, then. Rasmussen, Gallup, etc., are outliers. The GOP is dead. Creigh Deeds is obviously the next Governor of Virginia, etc. The obvious solution is for Charles Johnson to start his own political party.
    Off topic. I emailed Johnson about his labeling me a “sneaky sock puppet” using the name “Will Robinson” in addition to my own name. I e-mailed him stating I have never used that name and asked for a retraction. He never bothered with the courtesy of a reply.
    Something similar happened a few years back when a left-wing blogger decided I was using a pseudonym and posting to News Busters. Not only did I get a reply, but I received the courtesy of a correction.

  23. From Gallup:
    “A key reason for congressional Republicans’ depressed ratings in recent months is that rank-and-file Republicans’ support for their own party in Congress has descended to unprecedented depths.”

  24. Gallup 10/7/09
    PRINCETON, NJ — Roughly a year before the 2010 midterm elections, Gallup finds the Republican and Democratic Parties nearly tied in the congressional ballot preferences of registered voters…
    Closer to elections, Gallup bases its results on “likely voters.” Doing so typically improves the Republicans’ positioning by several points; thus, when Democrats lead slightly among registered voters, it is possible for Republicans to be ahead among likely voters. (note: Rasmussen uses likely voters and shows the GOP ahead)…
    The Republican Party’s relatively strong position on the generic ballot in the latest poll, conducted Oct. 1-4, stems from the support of political independents, who now favor Republican over Democratic candidates by 45% to 36%.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123497/parties-nearly-tied-congress-2010.aspx

  25. This is the conservatives vs. Rockefeller Republicans (now called “moderates”) fight that has been going on in the northeast for as long as I can remember. It’s the reason New York has a Conservative Party, and it would be remarkable if the conservatives weren’t challenging the moderates.
    For example, Bill Buckley’s brother, Jim Buckley, succesfully ran for the Senate against the incumbent, Rockefeller Republican Charles Goodell, on the Conservative Party ticket in 1970.

  26. I know what “moderate” means, but I can’t discern anything “conservative” in the Beck-Limbaugh-Paul-Bachmann conspiracy-mongering wingnuttery.

  27. If you don’t like “Beck-Limbaugh-Paul-Bachmann” then don’t watch (or listen) to them. I don’t.
    And, regarding wingnuttery (and moonbattery), how many Republicans in the 90s were convinced that Vince Foster was murdered? How many Democrats were convinced that President Bush knew about 9/11 and allowed it to happen? How many Democrats were convinced that Bush “lied” in order to go to war with Saddam for his own (or Cheney’s) benefit?
    You don’t need to go to the talk shows for people who buy into nonsence, plenty of so-called mainstream journalists push it, too.
    For that matter, read some of Charles Johnson’s moonbat pre-9/11 political posts. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MXcEyL6xvEw/SrG2OeNN8eI/AAAAAAAAAII/JVJW2o3eang/s1600-h/bush1.gif http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-search.php?searchWith=lgf&searchWhat=entries&maxPerPage=25&therange=2001-02-07+-+2001-09-11&searchString=bush

  28. “If you don’t like “Beck-Limbaugh-Paul-Bachmann” then don’t watch (or listen) to them. I don’t.”
    If I could, I would. Unfortunately, they (especially the last two) have taken over the party. Just visited Our.GOP.com… the place is crawling with Paulians, anti-sem…. uh, anti-zionist slogans/cartoons and all.

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